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podre instalar la valvula n239?? en AFN

Mensajepor kloki28 » Lun Mar 22, 2010 9:26 pm

Hola a todos

pregunta del millon,como pudeis leer en el titulo quiero instalar la valvula n239 segun creo es al que comanda la chapaleta de apagado en los tdi mas modernos.el motivo es poder calmar el apagado del coche (menudo estrincon pega al quitar contacto),la instalacion no la veo compleja el tema es como hacer que funcione esta valvula al desconectar la llave.toda ayuda sera poco.

esteve una ayudita...... gracias

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Re: podre instalar la valvula n239?? en AFN

Mensajepor Papapitufo » Lun Mar 22, 2010 9:43 pm

El tema no es dificil, la chapaeta se mueve por depresión mediante un pulmón controlado por una pequeña electrovalvula (estilo a la de la EGR pero más simple) añadir la caja de la mariposa, la electrovalvula y algún trozo de tubo de vacio....pero tiene un problema básico:

- Esa electro valvula solo cierra un par de segundos al quitar el contacto, para volver a abrir immediatamente. Es decir, la mariposa solo se cierra un par de segundos desde que se quita contacto hasta que se para definitivamente el motor y eso lo hace activando la electrovalvula la unidad de mando de motor...Es decir, que en reposo todo está abierto y si funciona se cierra, de ese modo en caso de averia del sistema el coche siempre arranca, como mucho se pararia mal.

Por tanto conseguir un funcionamiento similar se me antoja algo difícil...pero espera. igual se me ocurre algo muy simple que podría funcionar...si, luego te pongo un pequeño esquema a ver si le sacamos pegas entre todos.

saludos

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Re: podre instalar la valvula n239?? en AFN

Mensajepor kloki28 » Lun Mar 22, 2010 10:11 pm

la instalacion fisica segun veo la foto famosa de las valvulas y tal la veo facil.


como ves poner un temporizador?? o una epsecie de rele?(como veis no tengo ni ..... idea),creo que seria de mucha utilidad para muchos compañeros ya que esto seimplemento en los tdi mas adelante por algun sentido(sino me equivoco es esactamente este).

gracias esteve tu siempre atento con el projimo :ok:

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Re: podre instalar la valvula n239?? en AFN

Mensajepor Papapitufo » Sab Abr 03, 2010 1:03 am

Revisando el esquema, se tendria que conectar la N239 de manera que tuviera solo un pequeño instante de activación, justo despues de quitar el contacto (unos 3 segundos).

Solo se me ocurre poder lograr eso con algún circuito electronico temporizador de 12 voltios (o relé) que tenga un tiempo de activación de como mucho 5 segundos.

Si consigues encontar eso, lo demás lo tenemos chupado.

saludos.

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Re: podre instalar la valvula n239?? en AFN

Mensajepor kloki28 » Sab Abr 03, 2010 6:07 pm

gracias esteve,por lo que llego a entender la valvula se activa en el mismo instante que se quita contacto,cierra la chapaleta corta el aire en el circuito y evita ese movimiento brusco del motor cierto?,bien e hablado con un amigo y existen unos retardos de 1 a 99 seg van a 12 voltios con esto se supone nos sirve cierto?tengo una valvula y en brves espero cojer el circuito o rele que comento.

muchas gracias este tema me interesa bastante la verdad.

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Re: podre instalar la valvula n239?? en AFN

Mensajepor toledin » Sab Abr 03, 2010 9:24 pm

Todo esto sin cambiar el colector no te vale de nada.
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Re: podre instalar la valvula n239?? en AFN

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Re: podre instalar la valvula n239?? en AFN

Mensajepor kloki28 » Sab Abr 03, 2010 10:59 pm

tdi 130,claro toledin que hablamos de tener un colector con chapaleta.

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Re: podre instalar la valvula n239?? en AFN

Mensajepor toledin » Dom Abr 04, 2010 11:51 pm

Si tdi 130, pero longitudinales solo, es decir de AWX y AVF.
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Re: podre instalar la valvula n239?? en AFN

Mensajepor kloki28 » Lun Abr 05, 2010 11:11 pm

si si toledin,esa me la se desde hace algun año,gracias a ti y alguno mas.mi amigo winns lo lleva.

quizas mañana me de la venada y lo cojo no se.

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Re: podre instalar la valvula n239?? en AFN

Mensajepor kloki28 » Lun Abr 19, 2010 11:10 am

retomo este post ya tengo instalado el colector,hemos parado el coche con la chapaleta y la verdad que se para perfecto,que opinais sin en vez de hacer la instalacion con el tema contacto retardo t tal pongo directamente un interruptor y apago el motor desde este mismo???


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